Inner View of the Entrepreneurial Path with the Inspiring Jade Craven

Inner View of the Entrepreneurial Path is an interview series with successful entrepreneurs who bravely share the ups and downs of building their businesses. My hope is that as we hear more and more of these stories, we bootstrapping, up-and-coming entrepreneurs will come to see our business challenges as part of the process rather than a sign to give up on our dreams. Enjoy!

For people who don’t know you, could you share about your businesses? Who do you serve in each of them and how do you help them?

Our business has evolved so technically we have one business, with two freelancers doing their own thing. My best friend, Bill Journee, and I decided to join forces and offer social media help to small businesses.

We soon realized that we were rocking it doing our own things so have turned the services site into a ‘network’ of sorts. We are going to create a whole bunch of sites that can help small businesses but we are giving those ideas time while we work on my site. Bill does a lot of freelance web design as part of this.

In our heads, we treat my site as a different business because it serves a different audience. Its people that are part of the online blogging community and want to learn more about how to connect and influence people. This part of the business is a lot funner and means I can help more people without asking for money.

How did you go from dealing with severe anxiety to becoming a rock-star connector?

The truth is that I’ve never stopped dealing with the severe anxiety. I pushed through the anxiety to help people early last year.

Basically, Darren from Problogger gave me my first real break when I did a review of Dave Navarro’s “How To Launch” Product. Dave and I became friends, and I kept experimenting on twitter and with product reviews. I soon learned I had a real knack for connecting. I was able to keep track of what everyone was up to, notice patterns and remember the best way of communicating with someone.

People started talking behind the scenes and sending people my way. I also reached out and tried to help them. I did all this while battling some bad problems in my personal life. I worked hard when I could and withdrew when I needed to.

I’ve really only started to make real traction in the last month. I’ve made that many changes that people think otherwise. Finding my purpose really helped me manage the anxiety and the past 2 months have been a lot of fun.

Was there a defining moment where you made the decision: “I’m going to do this entrepreneur thing and make it work.”

I wouldn’t say there was a defining moment as such. Moreso, there was a realization over a period of time that I would have a lot of difficulty in full time employment. When the anxiety plays up, I lose some language, comprehension and people skills. I have techniques to deal with this but it is harder to do when around people. I assumed I’d have to scrap by on low paid, part time work.

Then last year I started to earn trickles of affiliate income and get compensated for high profile reviews. I knew I could make this work but I just didn’t know how. I didn’t figure out how until about a month ago. And, in the space of a few short weeks, I’m now earning consistent income. I now truly believe I can make this work and be able to help out friends, support charities and not have to hustle so hard.

People comment on how helpful you are as well as your honesty and authenticity. Where do you find the courage to speak your truth?

I used to hide my anxiety and personal problems. Eventually it started eating me up. I felt like such a flake because I couldn’t keep track of all my friends and had to drop some responsibilities. Eventually, I started being honest. I revealed parts of the truth.

People have commented that ‘airing my dirty laundry’ is unprofessional, but they don’t know about the bad stuff that I’ve kept offline. There has been so much really, really bad stuff that has happened. The main reason I did that post about screwing up was so I could publicly apologize.

I then wrote a couple of guest posts where I was so tired, that I would write honestly about hustling or how I’d accomplished certain things. I realized that people liked seeing that I was just a normal person and starting engaging with me more. I am very careful with how much I share but I like to talk about what I’ve learned as it can save others from making the same mistakes.

You shared recently about your response to a pending eviction and how you turned it into an opportunity to grow your business. How did you make this happen?

It happened by necessity. I had managed to avoid reality for 2 years. I was in a very good situation there – really cheap rent – and was sorta just cruising by without an action plan. I then got told I was evicted and I realized that I wouldn’t be able to afford a rental. I’d invested my savings into my work, was pulling 60-70 hour weeks, had no savings and no regular income.

I cried. I cried so hard the night I found out. The next day, I started calling for favors. Testimonials, ideas, leads. Dave and I had been talking about working together for a while but we made it official. I started working smarter, not harder, and started seeing a lot more traction. I took action on things that were scaring me like starting an email list.

It’s been a tough few weeks, but I find I shine when I’m shoved in a corner. I really hope nothing like this happens for a while though.


I love what you shared about aiming to be more present vs. more social on and offline. Could you talk some more about that & give folks tips on how to translate that into how they are in the social media world?

Iggy Pintado and I came up with this idea as we were heading to a conference. I was staying with his lovely family and they, er, don’t share my love of going to bed really early. So, we were in the car and I may have jokingly yelled “but I don’t waaaaanna be social.” That led to a discussion of social vs presence.

I hate being social. This when you break the ice with someone you have no connection with. Its awkward and really draining for me. Being present is a lot of fun. Its when you already know the person, via either the social media and real world, and just have to participate in whats going on. I can meet people and hug and jump into conversation with them. Being present is so amazing.

You can apply this online by just watching how people use twitter. Some people are JUST social. They broadcast and have no general interest in their community. That’s fine – the best thing about social media is that you get to choose how to use it. I get a lot more out of being present. You get to make genuine friendships and be helpful. Social media has helped transform my life and that only happened because I invested myself into my online presence.

Describe the key moments that moved you from “just blogging” to realizing you had something valuable to contribute?

As usual, Dave was involved in most of this. The key moment was the contact we had after I published that Problogger review. After I’d done a number of reviews it lost its power. The 30 Bloggers To Watch post went up early this year and I just didn’t care about the traffic and retweets because I was too busy creating a twitter list or fixing images. It meant nothing. I lost my mojo.

Then Dave helped my find the hook for the new version of my site. This helped me realize that I had something valuable to contribute via my blog and soon, my mailing list.

You talk about learning to lose control as an important turning point in your business? What helped you get to this point? And how has it enhanced your business?

I had to learn to lose control over two things:
  • how my message is spread
  • what Bill was doing

Now, Bill does the wordpress fixing and ebook designing. I’m very fickle with my blog and was very involved in the early work he did for me. Now I just say “I trust you, do whatever you think is best.” This was hard as we have differing views on most things. However, I usually love the stuff he does. I’ll sometimes have to ask for tiny edits, but thats it. Losing the control gives both of us more time to rock.

Now, I was very frustrated at the start of this year because I’d dropped off the radar. It seemed like no-one cared about me and that I had no message. I had to lose control of this feeling and just accept that people would only talk if there was something to talk about. It’s very weird how much your ego is tied up into how others perceive you.

What do you love the most about your business and the work you do?

I love that I’m able to get paid for helping people. It’s fantastic. I get so many DM’s and emails from people I have helped. I just helped a hiking friend make his first affiliate sale and he sent a enthusiastic, thankful message :-) It makes me feel good that I can leverage my skills and experience to make things easier.


I haven’t gotten through your whole course, but what I’ve read is straightforward, super-helpful and content-rich. What were some of the fears/challenges that came up as you were working on that product and how did you move through them?

I haven’t really talked about how much I struggled writing the course. Basically, I came back from a fabulous business trip to Sydney and had this huge depressive episode. My cat had died, an ex friend cracked onto me so bad that it made me question my sense of self and I was so exhausted from my trip to Sydney.

It got to the point where I hated it. I couldn’t stand writing it. Bill put up with so much ranting about it that by the end, he just said “Jade. What happens if you get like this with our other work?”

That really shocked me. We stayed up late and had a huge discussion about the business and the limitations my anxiety placed on me. We decided to change it, a lot, to fit around my ’stuff’. Bill was fantastic. We chose to focus on my own blogging work rather than targeting small businesses because that made me so happy.

This was really hard to do. I had to be brutally honest about stuff that I had never talked about. Symptoms that were really personal. I had to tell my best friend that and I hated that he saw that side of me. It was a huge challenge and if it wasn’t for Bill, I’m not sure there would still be a business. It’s been a rough year.

Funnily, I was never afraid that it wouldn’t sell. I knew it would. The sales have been disappointing, but that’s because I had an anti marketing strategy from the start. :-) Things are picking up as I knew they would and I’m going to create ways for mavens to spread the word.

What words of wisdom do you have for people who are thinking about starting a business but are afraid or folks who are struggling with their business and contemplating giving up?

You’ll never accomplish anything if you let the fear define you. Its hard to separate genuine concern from the physiological response associated with fear. If you can do this, you can accomplish so much more because you know what you are able to push through.

Do you have a tatoo(s)? If yes, what are/is they/it? If no, what would you get if you were to get one?

I have this embarrassing fear of needles so no, I don’t have a tattoo. I’d like to as a way of challenging my anxiety but I don’t think I’d have the guys. If I was to get one, I’d get something personal that means a lot to me. I’m obsessed with nature so it would probably be an image of an obscure bird or flower.
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Are you inspired! Jade’s amazing and shared so many gems in this interview. I especially love what she said about being more present vs. social on social media and learning to lose control. Share in the comments what your favorite bits of Jade Wisdom!

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8 Comments

  1. Posted June 25, 2010 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Wonderful interview, thank you both! I have to admit that when I was first thrashing around looking for a subject to write about, I came across Jade’s site and thought, “Well, anxiety is out. She’s got the market cornered.” It was like, only one person is allowed to represent any given subject, lol.

    Jade, you are the most giving person. You have offered, without knowing me well, to help me more than once. I didn’t know what to ask for and felt like I was letting you down! But I think the reason I couldn’t answer was also because I wasn’t really clear about what you do. This helps, thanks, and I know I’ll think of something soon. ;-)
    LaVonne Ellis´s last blog ..From Blog to Business: the Mindshift My ComLuv Profile

  2. Posted June 25, 2010 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    I have a slight thing where if I see that someone is a “good person”, then I want to really help them. There aren’t that many truly good people and yeah, I remember the people that helped me.

    I’m not really sure what I do half the time. Right now it feels like not much, I’m taking time off for the move and it sucks.

    I didn’t meant to corner any market re: anxiety. I’m still recovering and it still affects my blogging. Being so public is a need so that people understand why I do some things and will go kind on me when I stuff up podcasts due to nerves. :-) The best thing about being so open is that others share their stories. I dunno, anxiety is sorta forgotten as a mental illness and I’ve really appreciated those that have shared their support as I’ve tried to get better.

  3. Posted June 26, 2010 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    Thnx for the great interview, both of you! :-)

    Hearing you speak about anxiety, Jade, I’d love to see a concrete product about how-to-do social media/internet biz/etc. when you have things like physical or mental challenges.

    I don’t want to get stuck there, or labelled, but there are days with my own challenges that I despair of ever being able to do enough to get to the place where I don’t have to do so much/have enough money to move into our own place/etc.

    In the meantime, thnx again for a wonderful insight into your life & work! :-)

  4. Posted June 26, 2010 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    @Lavonne: i’m glad you enjoyed it! i think there’s always room to share about YOUR experience with living with anxiety as you build your biz. the more voices out there sharing, the more permission others who are dealing with the same or similar issue will be able to give themselves. i would LOVE to hear your story.

    @Jade: thanks so much for sharing yourself so generously. i found a similar thing when i was recovering from a major depressive episode. the load was so much heavier when i was carrying shame about what i was dealing with and trying to hide it from people around me. when i shared what i was dealing with, i was surprised that rather than pushing me away or judging me, some people were really supportive and my story even gave themselves permission to share their experience with depression (some of them for the 1st time). thank YOU for sharing yours. you’re going to inspire a lot of people with this interview:-)

    @Birdy: that’s such a great idea! i’m really passionate about opening up this conversation about the challenges we experience in our lives and how they shape our experience of building our business. what sorts of things would you be looking for in a “how-to” guide?

  5. Posted June 26, 2010 at 5:13 am | Permalink

    Thanks to both of you for a really great interview!

    And I also love the distinction of being present vs social online. I find myself constantly pulling myself back these days from the impulse to respond to someone or retweet something because I think I “should” in order to be “nice”. And as soon as I start feeling that, it all becomes less natural and less enjoyable for me.

    I’m also coming out of a very inward time and so I’m really noticing and responding to my own needs in a very different way and that includes making it OK to not have to be “nice” when I’m not truly moved to it, because that’s just not authentic.
    SusanJ´s last blog ..Why Traditional Coaching is No Match for Resistance My ComLuv Profile

  6. Posted June 29, 2010 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    What a GREAT interview, Ije and Jade! I know it’s hard to put yourself out there and harder still to show the side you think many will turn away from. Jade, I really have to honor the work you’ve done to get past your fears and anxieties so that you can SHINE your light for others.

    I checked out your course and bought it because it looks like some great stuff in there that I can use. Your perspective and nice, clean energy just bounce off that page. I like you and that is truly the reason I bought what you produced. You’re authentic and real. :)

    Bookmarked your site and will follow your work. I know there’s lots for me to learn from you!

    Thank you both!
    Lisa@Practicallyintuitive´s last blog ..Take a journey with Kara My ComLuv Profile

  7. Posted June 30, 2010 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    Lisa –

    Thank you SO much. Most of the course sales are from people I’ve met somehow and I was surprised that someone I hadn’t ‘met’ bought my stuff. I’m glad you like my work. Let me know if there is any way I can improve it so its more useful.

    And thanks for respecting the work I’ve done :-) Not many people understand the sheer amount of work it took to get this far. I showed this page to Bill, who is my biz partner, and he jokingly reminded me of how how I had to work to write the final module of that course because I just broke down.

    People will always appreciate the nice things you say about them so thank you. Genuinely, thank you. I was feeling manipulated today and now I know that my work has a positive effect.

    Susan –

    The problem I’ve found with being nice is that people can take advantage of that. I’ve set a clear thing from the start. Tell me about your good stuff but don’t expect me to share it. I’ll share the stuff that is relevant in the method that is relevant. Some may be offline. Some may be via email or IM. I could tell you some horror stories about being used which is why your comment resonated with me so much.

    Ije –

    Its awesome how being open gives others permission to share. I’m starting to see my issues as a gift. Like, it sucks, but I can use it positively and it has opened so many doors just by making me reassess people and how I connect to them.

    This interview has made me more confident within myself and its something that I really needed. I so needed to express myself so thank you so much for asking such insightful questions :-)
    Jade Craven´s last blog ..From the trenches- Newsletter edition My ComLuv Profile

  8. Posted June 30, 2010 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    @susan: thank you so much for stopping by! i’ve found too that one of the blessings of what i call my cocoon phases is that it takes me to a new level of radical self-care and acceptance. where i realize that when i’m taking care of myself and prioritizing what i need to do that over what others “expect” i actually have more to give and can do better work!

    @lisa: so glad you got the course! i am actually still poring through it because jade packed so much thoughtful and useful ideas in there. i’d love to hear how it impacts your networking.

    @jade: thank you for trusting me enough to share so generously! it’s a wonderful thing to have your courage affirm the gifts you have to share—the gifts only YOU can share.

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